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		<title>By: Loraine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Loraine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the poster who pointed out that there are indicators Marcie is infatuated with Charlie Brown. I believe the relationship reflects a rather unhealthy female friendship, where Marcie is actually undermining Peppermint Patty in subtle ways. The primary example is her use of &quot;Sir&quot; to refer to Peppermint Patty. I see this as an attempt to (further) desexualize Peppermint Patty, particularly in front of Charlie Brown. She can&#039;t compete in terms of personality, so she competes by undermining the competition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the poster who pointed out that there are indicators Marcie is infatuated with Charlie Brown. I believe the relationship reflects a rather unhealthy female friendship, where Marcie is actually undermining Peppermint Patty in subtle ways. The primary example is her use of &#8220;Sir&#8221; to refer to Peppermint Patty. I see this as an attempt to (further) desexualize Peppermint Patty, particularly in front of Charlie Brown. She can&#8217;t compete in terms of personality, so she competes by undermining the competition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peppermint Patty was definitely a lesbian.  I am sure many of you have seen &quot;You&#039;re a Good Man Charlie Brown&quot;.  I believe this was the show when they all went away to summer camp.  There is a scene during the show where Peppermint Patty calls Marcy to see how she is doing.  While Marcy is on the phone with Peppermint Patty, Marcy starts telling Charlie Brown to let go of her hand, although Charlie Brown isn&#039;t really holding her hand.  On the other line, Peppermint Patty is seen as agonizing about hearing that Charlie Brown is holding Marcy&#039;s hand.  Then Marcy says to Peppermint Patty, &quot;Just kidding sir&quot;.  Now some might see that as Peppermint Patty being upset that Charlie Brown is showing affection towards Marcy instead of toward her.  I see it as Peppermint Patty being upset that Charlie Brown is being overly friendly with Marcy, her sub.  I guess you have to watch the episode and judge for yourself.  Oh yeah, the fact that Marcy calls her sir, she sounds like a dude, and she has what looks like a beard doesn&#039;t help.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peppermint Patty was definitely a lesbian.  I am sure many of you have seen &#8220;You&#8217;re a Good Man Charlie Brown&#8221;.  I believe this was the show when they all went away to summer camp.  There is a scene during the show where Peppermint Patty calls Marcy to see how she is doing.  While Marcy is on the phone with Peppermint Patty, Marcy starts telling Charlie Brown to let go of her hand, although Charlie Brown isn&#8217;t really holding her hand.  On the other line, Peppermint Patty is seen as agonizing about hearing that Charlie Brown is holding Marcy&#8217;s hand.  Then Marcy says to Peppermint Patty, &#8220;Just kidding sir&#8221;.  Now some might see that as Peppermint Patty being upset that Charlie Brown is showing affection towards Marcy instead of toward her.  I see it as Peppermint Patty being upset that Charlie Brown is being overly friendly with Marcy, her sub.  I guess you have to watch the episode and judge for yourself.  Oh yeah, the fact that Marcy calls her sir, she sounds like a dude, and she has what looks like a beard doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Mohammed Plotzker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 17:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[interesting article. I do think patty and marcie are girlfriends indeed. The fact that theyre cartoons makes it possible for anyone to make them what they want. Some people would prefer patty/chuck or marcie/chuck. I personally like patty/marcie. Patty would be a butch tomboy whereas marcie is the shy more feminine girl in the relationship. 

Also, Im sure charles schulz never intended on maing them lesbians, though i douct if he were alive today he would have cared. seeing as billie jean king was a close friend of his and is where the idea of marcie originated from.

i see it as this: sally likes linu, lucy likes schroeder, chuck likes the red haired girl. and then we see marcie and patty often displaying some type of feelings for chuck but they never really focus on it like they do with the other characters mentioned. chuck likes the red haired girl but she dosent notice him. ( i think he and the heather would be great together :D)
LEaves patty and marcie on the side which is the reason i think they were meant for each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting article. I do think patty and marcie are girlfriends indeed. The fact that theyre cartoons makes it possible for anyone to make them what they want. Some people would prefer patty/chuck or marcie/chuck. I personally like patty/marcie. Patty would be a butch tomboy whereas marcie is the shy more feminine girl in the relationship. </p>
<p>Also, Im sure charles schulz never intended on maing them lesbians, though i douct if he were alive today he would have cared. seeing as billie jean king was a close friend of his and is where the idea of marcie originated from.</p>
<p>i see it as this: sally likes linu, lucy likes schroeder, chuck likes the red haired girl. and then we see marcie and patty often displaying some type of feelings for chuck but they never really focus on it like they do with the other characters mentioned. chuck likes the red haired girl but she dosent notice him. ( i think he and the heather would be great together <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
LEaves patty and marcie on the side which is the reason i think they were meant for each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Lai-Lai</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lai-Lai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 04:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcey &amp; Patty both admited to eachother that they both have a crush on Charlie Brown. I believe it was in the special where we finally got to see what the Little Red Haired Girl looks like.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcey &amp; Patty both admited to eachother that they both have a crush on Charlie Brown. I believe it was in the special where we finally got to see what the Little Red Haired Girl looks like.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane Kimrey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shane Kimrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great posting, I favorited your blog post so I can visit again in the near future, Cheers, Shane Kimrey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting, I favorited your blog post so I can visit again in the near future, Cheers, Shane Kimrey</p>
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		<title>By: Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 21:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Linus seemed to have a thing with Truffles, a huge-eyed girl who lived on a farm. But he couldn&#039;t find his way back without Snoopy, who preferred to go alone and get all the fresh-baked cookies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linus seemed to have a thing with Truffles, a huge-eyed girl who lived on a farm. But he couldn&#8217;t find his way back without Snoopy, who preferred to go alone and get all the fresh-baked cookies.</p>
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		<title>By: Deidzoeb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deidzoeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Besides Marcie&#039;s oddly submissive relationship with Peppermint Patty, the reason a lesbian rumor might have developed is that Patty was such a tomboy. [To reduce keystrokes, I&#039;m going to call her &quot;Patty&quot; throughout this comment, not referring to the blond character known only as Patty.] Most of the other girls in the strip wore skirts or dresses. Patty dressed more boyishly. She was better at sports than Charlie Brown, even captained one of the rival baseball teams. Peppermint Patty&#039;s choice of calling him &quot;Chuck&quot; when no one else does seems a little masculine. Sounds like the nickname a coach or gym teacher would call a boy if he wasn&#039;t calling them all by their last names. The kind of short, sharp nickname that&#039;s more appropriate carved into a bowling ball, like Bill, Bob or Dick instead of Billy or Robbie or Ricky.

The more girly girls like Lucy, Violet, Sally and Frieda have curls or pony-tails, whereas Peppermint Patty and Marcie have shorter, almost bobbed hairstyles.

Keep in mind the strip started in the 50s. I can&#039;t remember when Peppermint Patty came on the scene, but gender roles have loosened since then. My mom complained about local public school rules in the 60s demanding that girls wear skirts and not pants -- no exception just because you&#039;re walking through snow in Michigan (uphill both ways, but never mind that part).

People are just making the leap from PP&#039;s tomboy qualities to lesbian. More important is the way Marcie interacts with her, always addressing Peppermint Patty as &quot;sir&quot;, a remnant of one or both of those characters being introduced in strips about summer camp.

Are there any satisfied, mutual loves or crushes in Peanuts? PP likes Chuck. Chuck likes the Little Red-Haired Girl. Lucy likes Schroeder. Sally likes Linus. All unrequited or rejected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides Marcie&#8217;s oddly submissive relationship with Peppermint Patty, the reason a lesbian rumor might have developed is that Patty was such a tomboy. [To reduce keystrokes, I'm going to call her "Patty" throughout this comment, not referring to the blond character known only as Patty.] Most of the other girls in the strip wore skirts or dresses. Patty dressed more boyishly. She was better at sports than Charlie Brown, even captained one of the rival baseball teams. Peppermint Patty&#8217;s choice of calling him &#8220;Chuck&#8221; when no one else does seems a little masculine. Sounds like the nickname a coach or gym teacher would call a boy if he wasn&#8217;t calling them all by their last names. The kind of short, sharp nickname that&#8217;s more appropriate carved into a bowling ball, like Bill, Bob or Dick instead of Billy or Robbie or Ricky.</p>
<p>The more girly girls like Lucy, Violet, Sally and Frieda have curls or pony-tails, whereas Peppermint Patty and Marcie have shorter, almost bobbed hairstyles.</p>
<p>Keep in mind the strip started in the 50s. I can&#8217;t remember when Peppermint Patty came on the scene, but gender roles have loosened since then. My mom complained about local public school rules in the 60s demanding that girls wear skirts and not pants &#8212; no exception just because you&#8217;re walking through snow in Michigan (uphill both ways, but never mind that part).</p>
<p>People are just making the leap from PP&#8217;s tomboy qualities to lesbian. More important is the way Marcie interacts with her, always addressing Peppermint Patty as &#8220;sir&#8221;, a remnant of one or both of those characters being introduced in strips about summer camp.</p>
<p>Are there any satisfied, mutual loves or crushes in Peanuts? PP likes Chuck. Chuck likes the Little Red-Haired Girl. Lucy likes Schroeder. Sally likes Linus. All unrequited or rejected.</p>
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		<title>By: Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that Peppermint Patty&#039;s fixation on Charlie Brown came about the time the little red-headed girl was fading out (I think she actually moved away -- it&#039;s somewhere in the late 60s-early 70s complete reprints). 

It&#039;s as if Schulz was looking for a different way to articulate unrequited love. And the whole idea of Charlie Brown finding himself on the receiving end of not-quite-focused affection is pretty funny.

For the record, Peppermint Patty does call &quot;Chuck&quot; on the phone, leaving him confused or pretending to be the operator. And while she does like him, she can and will get really fed up with him. A running Sunday motif has the two of them sitting on opposite sides of a tree. Patty offer an observation or a question; Charlie Brown&#039;s reply will strike her as nonsensical. 

She&#039;s not overtly romantic like Lucy, eternally leaning on Schroeder&#039;s piano, or Sally, proclaiming to one and all that Linus is her &quot;Sweet Baboo.&quot; In fact, she&#039;s resistant to the concept of &quot;feminine wiles.&quot; In the latest reprint book (73-74), Lucy tries to talk Patty into getting their ears pieced together. Patty&#039;s initial reply is that she&#039;s &quot;secure in her femininity.&quot; In the end, Lucy bails and Patty ends up with one pierced ear. Adding insult to injury, she learns that Marcie had her ears pierced long ago.

Most of the time Patty plays it pretty much as described -- taking advantage of opportunities to hang with Charlie Brown, but not about to throw a game for him. But early on in the &quot;relationship,&quot; there were two summer camp stories that raised the issue front and center. In one, Patty had to stay home while Marcie went to the same camp as Charlie Brown. Their separate phone calls to her drove her crazy (Charlie Brown innocently tells Patty how cute Marcie looks in a swimsuit; Marcie yanks Patty&#039;s chain with a goofy smile). In the other, Patty makes it to summer camp -- but so does the little red-headed girl. Charlie Brown gets in trouble because two girls were reportedly fighting over him; it turns out that Patty confronted the little red-headed girl and simply broke down crying, knowing she could never compete. 

After that, Patty sort of settled down in her relations to Charlie Brown. She&#039;s a pushy, eccentric friend and baseball rival -- who, without warning, suddenly whacks him with emphatically female feelings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Peppermint Patty&#8217;s fixation on Charlie Brown came about the time the little red-headed girl was fading out (I think she actually moved away &#8212; it&#8217;s somewhere in the late 60s-early 70s complete reprints). </p>
<p>It&#8217;s as if Schulz was looking for a different way to articulate unrequited love. And the whole idea of Charlie Brown finding himself on the receiving end of not-quite-focused affection is pretty funny.</p>
<p>For the record, Peppermint Patty does call &#8220;Chuck&#8221; on the phone, leaving him confused or pretending to be the operator. And while she does like him, she can and will get really fed up with him. A running Sunday motif has the two of them sitting on opposite sides of a tree. Patty offer an observation or a question; Charlie Brown&#8217;s reply will strike her as nonsensical. </p>
<p>She&#8217;s not overtly romantic like Lucy, eternally leaning on Schroeder&#8217;s piano, or Sally, proclaiming to one and all that Linus is her &#8220;Sweet Baboo.&#8221; In fact, she&#8217;s resistant to the concept of &#8220;feminine wiles.&#8221; In the latest reprint book (73-74), Lucy tries to talk Patty into getting their ears pieced together. Patty&#8217;s initial reply is that she&#8217;s &#8220;secure in her femininity.&#8221; In the end, Lucy bails and Patty ends up with one pierced ear. Adding insult to injury, she learns that Marcie had her ears pierced long ago.</p>
<p>Most of the time Patty plays it pretty much as described &#8212; taking advantage of opportunities to hang with Charlie Brown, but not about to throw a game for him. But early on in the &#8220;relationship,&#8221; there were two summer camp stories that raised the issue front and center. In one, Patty had to stay home while Marcie went to the same camp as Charlie Brown. Their separate phone calls to her drove her crazy (Charlie Brown innocently tells Patty how cute Marcie looks in a swimsuit; Marcie yanks Patty&#8217;s chain with a goofy smile). In the other, Patty makes it to summer camp &#8212; but so does the little red-headed girl. Charlie Brown gets in trouble because two girls were reportedly fighting over him; it turns out that Patty confronted the little red-headed girl and simply broke down crying, knowing she could never compete. </p>
<p>After that, Patty sort of settled down in her relations to Charlie Brown. She&#8217;s a pushy, eccentric friend and baseball rival &#8212; who, without warning, suddenly whacks him with emphatically female feelings.</p>
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